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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:11 am 
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CANNON BALLS!!!

It was necessary to keep a good supply of cannon balls near the cannon on old war ships. But how to prevent them from rolling about the deck was the problem. The best storage method devised was to stack them as a square based pyramid, with one ball on top, resting on four, resting on nine, which rested on sixteen. Thus, a supply of 30 cannon balls could be stacked in a small area right next to the cannon. There was only one problem -- how to prevent the bottom layer from sliding/rolling from under the others.
The solution was a metal plate with 16 round indentations, called, for reasons unknown, a Monkey. But if this plate were made of iron, the iron balls would quickly rust to it. The solution to the rusting problem was to make them of brass - hence, "Brass Monkeys" .
Few landlubbers realize that brass contracts much more and much faster than iron when chilled. Consequently, when the temperature dropped too far, the brass indentations would shrink so much that the iron cannon balls would come right off the monkey.
Thus,it was quite literally, cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey. And all this time, you thought that was just a vulgar expression, didn't you?

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because you tell so many porky`s on here..
no one believes you .. :lol:

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oh yes they do....

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This story is complete rubbish! Not fact at all. It's one of those silly urban myths

Check the oxford site http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutwordorigins/brassmonkeys?view=uk

I originally learnt this on the BBC programme called "Balderdash and Piffle", it's a really interesting show.

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Told you so , told you so !! ..
Billy liar .. :lol:

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Oh, well, if we're talking urban myths, this is my favourite:

http://www.seniorark.com/Humor/spurned% ... evenge.htm

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Great story Lesley.

Regarding Brass Monkeys, there are several problems with this story. The first is that the term 'monkey' is not otherwise recorded as the name for such an object. The second is that the rate of contraction of brass in cold temperatures is unlikely to be sufficient to cause the reputed effect. The third is that the phrase is actually first recorded as 'freeze the tail off a brass monkey', which removes any essential connection with balls. It therefore seems most likely that the phrase is simply a ribald allusion to the fact that metal figures will become very cold to the touch in cold weather.

So I think we can rest assured that it is a load of tails. Good try though.

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Ah balderdash, I best stick to the dodgy links this guys keeps sending me if I cant repy on his facts..

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Josef K wrote:
Great story Lesley.

Regarding Brass Monkeys, there are several problems with this story. The first is that the term 'monkey' is not otherwise recorded as the name for such an object. The second is that the rate of contraction of brass in cold temperatures is unlikely to be sufficient to cause the reputed effect. The third is that the phrase is actually first recorded as 'freeze the tail off a brass monkey', which removes any essential connection with balls. It therefore seems most likely that the phrase is simply a ribald allusion to the fact that metal figures will become very cold to the touch in cold weather.


Good old snopes.com. You forgot the bit about them becoming brittle tho....

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Damn, foiled again.

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Ok try this one then, where did the word schrapnel come from in relation to peices of metal from bombs or motar.
Answers on a postcard please.......lol. Maggie

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Maggie wrote:
Ok try this one then, where did the word schrapnel come from in relation to peices of metal from bombs or motar.
Answers on a postcard please.......lol. Maggie


Don't know how accurate this is but sounds feasable

The word shrapnel is derived from the name of Major-General Henry Shrapnel (1761–1842), an English artillery officer, whose experiments, initially conducted on his own time, and at his own expense, culminated in the design and development of a new type of artillery shell.

The term originally referred only to the spherical shot or musket balls dispersed when a shrapnel shell bursts, and this is still the strict technical definition of the term. However, "shrapnel" is now commonly used to describe all types of high-velocity fragments thrown out from an explosion, and does not differentiate among the processes which create them.


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Damn and blast. You got to Wikepedia before me, Fletchy.

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Fletchy you are spot on, amazing what the web can tell you. But just to add to that, his experiments were tested at Shoeburyness, Essex, which was from about 1640 ish used for the testing of weapons, explosives and many sorts of ordnance etc. The first test there was on a musket. The range is still in service with the MoD to this day. I should know I did 24 years there.
There was a very good painting of Major-General Shrapnel over the main fire place in our officers mess, he was quite a looker :!: Maggie

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